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Message started by yaku on Aug 21st, 2008 at 6:38am

Title: Growing out Curls again.. Need different products!
Post by yaku on Aug 21st, 2008 at 6:38am
Hey!

I am curious what any of you curly or thick haired ladies think of these products? They all sound good in their own ways, though with Carol's Daughter I've seen alot of negative reviews, and no bad ones for any of the others... I am a white guy, with very curly hair that is able to be just conditioned in the winter (though I still havent figured out my summer hair routine. I actually cut it off a couple weeks ago in a bit of a stressy fit cos i was so frustrated and wated it to look perfect, but all the trial and error was getting too much to handle for me! Of course G.I. Jane helped me make my decision.. haha)
Anyway, let me know. I don't know if it is for African hair or if I could get their less hydrating products and still be passable. Desperate as I am growing my hair back out!!! Thanks so much. Here are 4 different sites, and I am feeling the Beauty4ashes one the most, but I'd love some input or advice.

http://www.carolsdaughter.com/category/hair.do

I found something that might be a bit better for me!! Not sure which I should try... but I guess more trial and error is in order. With this following link, I'm definitely feeling either the Triple Honey or the Simply Golden.
http://discoverb4a.com/33%20Beauty%204%20Ashes%20NE%20Curly%20Hair%20Systems.html

http://curlsbysisterssmith.com/default.aspx

https://www.qhemetbiologics.com/

Also, my hair is only like 2 inches now, is there a certain length where one should start taking "extra care" of their locks with special products such as these?? Or can I start right now...

Title: Re: Carol's Daughter
Post by bikerbraid on Aug 21st, 2008 at 7:36am
I've not seen the Carol's Daughters products before.  I looked at several of their hair products and they sound wonderful.  I don't see any reason why anyone with dry hair wouldn't benefit from them.  

TheB4a products don't list their ingredients, but they state they DON'T include a lot of the nastier stuff.  This line is pricey due to its natural and no preservatives claims.

There are other product lines out there specifically for curly hair - I'll let our curly hair experts chime in on their recommendations.

A good hair care routine should be started immediately to prevent damage to the ends of your currently "short" hair, as these ends can become the ends of your "long" hair.  

Good luck!

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Aug 21st, 2008 at 10:39pm
Ooh good point! Thank you Bikerbraid :) Always love your advice~

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by bikerbraid on Aug 21st, 2008 at 10:52pm
Glad to help!  :)

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Aug 21st, 2008 at 11:35pm
Found some more that are starting to look appealing!
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlproducts/product-description/long-lovely-locks-green-tea-hair-cleanse-
The whole line by Long Lovely Locks looks amazing just seeing the ingredients. That link is to their shampoo, but everything in their line looks awesome.

http://www.sunfood.com/b2c/ecom/ecomEnduser/items/2-S1-lV1Body+Care-lV2Hair+Produ.aspx
After reading some David Wolfe, I feel MSM is a great thing. And the good thing is all the ingredients are listed too! I just don't know how this would go with my curls... (Can you tell I want a very natural product that can also deliver? Any one out there find something like this??)

http://www.mixedchicks.net/curlyhairproducts.html
They sound perfect, and are affordable, but I don't see a single ingredient listed anywhere. Which is worrying to me :( I e-mailed them asking for a list of every ingredient.

What do you think?

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by livingandlovingx3 on Aug 21st, 2008 at 11:59pm
Sakina introduced me to a line known as DevaCurl, and I love it! It has really revived my curls and made the hydration level for my hair better than ever!
http://store.devachansalon.com/Categories.bok?category=DevaCurl
You can find there products many places, even on ebay!
I bought mine form here, since they offered them at a lower price and free shipping on orders if you spent a certain amount.
http://www.brightonbeautysupply.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWSERIES&ManfID=116&SeriesID=4
I use the no poo, one condition, b'leave in, arc angell, and the set it free finishing mist.

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by Sakina on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 2:26am
Hey, Yaku!  I do use Devacurl products.  I've ordered some of the Carol's Daughter products.  I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanks for posting the links, it was interesting to check out.

You can get a nice travel kit from Devacurl w/no poo, one condition, angell, moisture lock.  I think there's 5 things in the kit, maybe just 4!

Trial and error, me bucko, everyone's hair likes what it likes.  I'm just happy that l&lx3 likes Devacurl, cause I do, too.

I looked into mixed chicks before, I think they had some -cones in there and my hair does not like -cones.  Do you know if your hair likes cones or not?

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 2:50am
Wow such great responses!
I found two more lines of products:
http://www.johnmasters.com/
^But there seem to be an enormous amount of ingredients in most of these except the sea salt spray.. Claimes to be all natural but I'm jsut not sure with so many chemicals listed...
http://simplydivinebotanicals.com/ouboex.html
^They make the best face wash ever made that I've used for 4 years, Black Velvet. And now they make a shampoo so I am kind of desperately wanting to try them out first! Is there a general rule that you ladies and men would advise for how long one should give a product to start "working"? Two weeks trial period?
Thanks for the advice!!! I am unsure whether my hair likes cones or not. At the moment I use Burt's Bee's Grapefruit and Sugar Beet Shampoo every few days and their Raspberry Moisture conditioner more often than that. Since my hair is short, I'm just using these basics, but I want to build a strong foundation (well... ends.) like bikerbraid suggested. As you mentioned also, when my hair was long I was using DevaCurl's LoPoo as a shampoo every couple days, and the OneCondition as a leave-in every other day, while condition between. It worked nice but it just didn't do the trick for me. And I am a fan of products that are as natural and organic (and cruelty free) as possible, and this line seems to have alot of ingredients that were a little too harsh to be comfortable on my hair. (Not able to pinpoint it) I regret that I cut my hair, but oh well!

By the way, loving the curly hair journals! I'll have to find some time to read more of them, as maybe that will help me.
I'm unsure how different men's and women's hair biology really is. But I'm sure it can't be so different that it requires completely different products. (i.e. The Mixed Chicks "mens line") So really I'm just more torn than anything when really I just want flawless hair like you all have in your photos!

Cheers! :)

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by livingandlovingx3 on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 11:42am
I wish you luck Yaku!  ;) I have certainly learned alot! My mom never knew how to care for my curly hair when I was younger, so when I got older niether did I. None of the salons around here could tell me anything about my curly hair either, so I am glad I found this place, and such wonderful people to tell me what I can try to make my hair healthy!

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Aug 22nd, 2008 at 1:16pm
THanks :) That's nice to hear, I had the same experience (mom with straight thin hair, didn't know how to take care of mine when I was little).
And good luck with CD Sakina! Let us know how it goes, as some of their products look amazing.

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 12:19am
Oh mixed chicks wrote me back with the ingredients! That's great customer service there for you, but alot of these ingredients are a huge no no for me. Seriously how many parabens do you need?! Dyes and fragrance and alcohol, oh my!

Here's a copy of what she e-mailed me:

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Hi Jerome,

Mixed Chicks & His Mix are the same ingredients,  just packaged differently.  Ingredients are attached.

Thanks, Wendi
SHAMPOO
water, ammonium lauryl sulfate, tea lauryl sulfate, cocamide MEA, glycol disterate, panthenol, avocado oil, silk amino acids, hydrolyzed soy protein, ginger (zinglber officinale) extract, malvasylvestris (mallow) extract, borage (borago officinalis) seed oil, cinnmidopropyl trimonium chloride, polyqatermium 10, allantoin, citric acid, tetrasodium edtal, sodium chloride, phenoxyethanol, fragrance, fd&c yellow #5, fd&c yellow #6

DEEP CONDITIONER
Water Cetearyl, Alcohol, Behentrimonium Chloride, Glycerin, Amodimethicone, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Octamethylcyclotetraxiloxane, Safflower Oil, Cetrimonium Chloride, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate and C 14-18 Perfluoroalkyethyl Thiohydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride and Benzoic Acid and Glycereth – 2 Cocoate, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Chloride, Fragrance

LEAVE-IN CONDITIONER
Water, Glycerin, stearalkonium chloride, amodimethicone, emulsifying wax, hydrolyzed wheat protein/pvp crosspolymer, methylgluceth-20, hydroxypropyl trimonium chloride, octyl methoxycinnamate,  hydroxyethyl cellulose, jojoba oil, safflower oil, primrose oil, wheat amino acid, crosilk, hydrolyzed collagen (marine), phenoxyethanol, methylparaben, butylparaben, fd&cyellow#6, fd&cyellow#5, fragrance.
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Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by Sakina on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:39am
Thanks for sharing that, Yaku.  Yeah, I can't use anything with more than 2 parabens in it, and I try to buy products without it alltogether.  Thank goodnes the EU banned parabens or else there would be less paraben-free alternatives!

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Aug 25th, 2008 at 2:56pm

Sakina wrote on Aug 23rd, 2008 at 11:39am:
Thank goodnes the EU banned parabens or else there would be less paraben-free alternatives!

Hear hear!

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Oct 27th, 2008 at 9:43pm
So officially starting to grow my hair out again in a couple weeks. Getting it chopped off (it's only 2-3 inches right now.. how much more can I chop off?? haha) then and hopefully I find a hair care line that makes it easy to care for my hair. I had so much buildup with Deva Curl. And it sems like no one in Minneapolis knows how to handle real curly hair. My stylist did things right:
1) cut my hair when it was dry
2) used the one conditioner as a leave in

but she did some things iffy too.
1) let me sit under one of those salon bulb chairs where your head is under that mushroom bulb to dry. My hair got so crispy after that with the conditioner drying in the heat!!
2) saying oil doesnt do anything for my hair besides make it harder to take care of and create buildup.

I want to understand ACV rinses more, but it is the most confusion subject in the world to me. I don't want ot do it wrong, and I hear so many things from people. and it seems like one of those things I would have to see done instead of having it typed to me. sigh

Any advice oh oracles of hair!?

I should probably start a hair journal. haha

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by Sakina on Oct 27th, 2008 at 11:29pm
Congrats on deciding to grow your curls out (again!)!

I still use Deva Curl, and do acv rinse every time I shampoo (which is twice a week).  I keep a 44oz plastic cup in the shower and put about 1 cup of apple cider vinegar in it and then at least 1 cup of water, sometimes more.  After shampooing and rinsing out the shampoo, I pour the acv rinse over my head and then leave it in for a minute and rinse that out.  Then I condition.

I've tried Carol's Daughter, and the smell of it gives me a headache.  Also, it makes my hair feel super coated.  It might work for you if you're super curly, but I'm more wavy and need something less heavy.

I've been reading about Mop Top products, I plan on trying them after I go through my DevaCurl.

Good Luck!!!

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Nov 2nd, 2008 at 4:33pm
Sakina, when you say you condition, do you leave the One Condition in your hair as a leave in conditioner?
Just curious.
Also, do you notice zero dandruff now that you use ACV? I don't have terrible dandruff, but noticed a bit of buildup this week, even though winter is here and my hair is adjusting to what I'm using (using DevaCurl's LoPoo shampoo and One Condition as a leave in, though I accidentally washed out the onecondition last time I conditioned, and my hair was like STRAW, so dead and dry after I stripped that conditioner off...)
Leaving for the store in like 5 minutes to get some organic ACV. Your post actually made ACV seem very simple, so I am eternally grateful my dear!

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by Sakina on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 1:32pm
Hi, Yaku.  I do not use One Condition as a leave in.  I use DevaCurl be leave in as my leave in.  I put One Condition on my ends, shampoo with LoPoo, acv rinse, then apply more One Condition which I leave on my hair until I'm done with my shower.  I only rinse the One Condition out for 20 seconds with cool water.

My scalp is much less flakey with the acv rinses.

If you're new to the curly girl method, I totally recommend using enough conditioner so your hair feels like wet seaweed like she says in the book.  My hair was sooooo starved for moisture when I started using this method and after awhile I didn't need as much conditioner.

I hope you like the acv rinse.  You're very welcome and if you have more questions...make sure you do not get it in your eyes 'cause it stings like a SOB!

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by Sakina on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 1:35pm
I meant to mention that I do not have flakes of dry skin on my clothes any more since using the acv regularly.  I wear black pretty much every day so this was a problem that I'm really glad has been managed!

I hope you get the results you desire!

Title: Re: Growing out Curls again.. Need different produ
Post by yaku on Nov 3rd, 2008 at 3:39pm
Thank you so much Sakina.
Perhaps i should go buy the Be Leave In then. So many choices :O
Thanks again :) I forgot to get ACV last night at the co op anyway. haha

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