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Reply #30 - Aug 27th, 2005 at 11:14pm
 
Yes NovusFemina!!! This is how I feel...you hit the dollar!
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Reply #31 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 12:35am
 
Just found this thread today Smiley I have to agree with Panpeus on this. The more people with "short" hair, the better off we longhairs are for the admiration/attention/specialness of having long hair that stands out. We can't change people, but we can certainly inspire them.

However I think the bigger issue here is not that any group of people would be better-respected or better-off with a certain hair length. The majority of people are rather happy with whatever length they currently have. These short-haired women aren't complaining, especially if they've had short hair all their lives.

...... but I notice that most people could use a little more happiness with their hair in general: with the quality, length, and texture. There's a severe shortage of "Western-society" women with sufficiently HEALTHY hair.

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Reply #32 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 12:43am
 
You are right, its is better if  we are the *special* ones. And yes the people in the third world countries tend to have better hair -_-.
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Reply #33 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 1:03am
 
Thank you Bikerbraid and Sara!!!

And Anais, I second that!  We sorta... "look" healthy in the US but sometimes I think it's all on the outside... there's so much we can "fake" to make us look healthy.  Though, hair extensions?  Yeah, I can see those coming.....  Tongue

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Reply #34 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 1:31am
 
Hummm that book sounds interesting.
You know, i feel very natural nd at ease with long hair and the feminity taht adds on to it in my point of view (for me at least). Ye syoucan chop of my hair and I will still look female...but there will be somthing missing. Like in india how woman who have sinned cut their hair...there i somethign sacred about long hair to me. When I had it trimmed ,I cried because I felt naked. Now ith the longer length i feel complete again.
People don't realize that hair is a part of the body, and by urging u to chop it off is like urging us to give up a  cherished piece of ourselves. They make it seem taht its selfish to keep all that hair to ourslves. Welll sorry, but people have been keeping their long hair for thousands of years. I am not going to give up my hair. Besides, I think it needs to be thicker to donate...lucky me.

PS Your welcome Novusfemina Smiley
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Reply #35 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 1:48am
 
hmm, all day and I still can't sum up all my thoughts on this.  It has really brought up a lot of questions for me to ponder and yet more fun conversations on gender and how we present ourselves so that others will view us the way we want to be seen. 

But for me it comes down to I like my hair, and keep it long because it is best for me.  I don't feel it makes me more feminine, I feel it makes me...more me.  The women I know with short hair don't have short hair to climb the corporate ladder or to fit in with or to relate with men.  They have short hair because they like it, and it makes them feel more like themselves. 

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Reply #36 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 2:42am
 
Well, for me I think that some people cut their hair becaus ethey like it and most becuase its whats socially acceptable and fashionable.
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Reply #37 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 1:04pm
 
Novusfemina, you have so nicely summed up what I had attempted and failed to write down 4 times shortly after this thread started. Great job.
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Reply #38 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 9:31pm
 
What a wonderful topic.

I just want to say that I feel my long hair is a part of my asertiveness to be an independantly thinking woman.

A couple of women at work (my job is at a library and 95% of the employees are female) suggested that now that I lost a lot of weight (and, you know, I'm in my 40's and all), that I should cut my hair, being as I was most likely hiding behind it because of how heavy I was.

I actually thought about it for awhile, and that's when I cut off my last 4-5".

Needless to say, I have come to my senses again and won't being doing that again anytime soon.  

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*excuse spelling errors, I got a thingymabob stuck in the middle of my post and tried to correct it.   Tongue
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Reply #39 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 10:05pm
 
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What a wonderful topic.

I just want to say that I feel my long hair is a part of my asertiveness to be an independantly thinking woman.

A couple of women at work (my job is at a library and 95% of the employees are female) suggested that now that I lost a lot of weight (and, you know, I'm in my 40's and all), that I should cut my hair, being as I was most likely hiding behind it because of how heavy I was.

I actually thought about it for awhile, and that's when I cut off my last 4-5".

Needless to say, I have come to my senses again and won't being doing that again anytime soon.  

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*excuse spelling errors, I got a thingymabob stuck in the middle of my post and tried to correct it.   Tongue


I also work in a predominantly female office.  Isn't it wonderful the advice we'll give each other?!

Almost everyone knows how attached I am to my hair, and that suggesting a cut is no laughing matter.  But I did get a comment the other day that I was welcome to this gals fashion magazines for ways to make my hair not look 'old'.  Oh well, I'm sure someday they'll figure out that not everyone has to look just like them. 
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Reply #40 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 11:07pm
 
I know! They think that we wnat to look like carbon capies of the next person. These people actually believe that if we admantly state that we like our hair long, we are secretly longng to cut it. What the sense in this, I know not. Perhaps they are afraid of someone who has a stronger sense of individuality. Secretly they envy us (at least a good deal of them). I say let them be short-haired and we shall be the eilte!
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Reply #41 - Aug 28th, 2005 at 11:36pm
 
I've been noticing more people with long(er) hair again, recently, and of all ages.  Not too many with rapunzel hair though.
A collegue, whom I always thought was older than I, remarked that she cut her hair when her mother told her she was getting too old for her long hair in the french braid.  I found out later she is my age! Lips Sealed  As long as she doesn't regret it, it's okay.  It does look good on her - I liked it longer too, but it's her hair.

I do think the culture's definition of long hair is limited though.  Anything at shoulder length or longer is "long", but most of the time it isn't even BSL, and it is a bit difficult to do updos at shoulder length, especially when there are usually layers in it.  No wonder people think long hair is too much hassle!  Not long enough for easy updos, and too long to stay out of your face when you're working Tongue

Good thought-provoking topic and great comments here Grin
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Reply #42 - Aug 29th, 2005 at 1:25am
 
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I know! They think that we wnat to look like carbon capies of the next person. These people actually believe that if we admantly state that we like our hair long, we are secretly longng to cut it. What the sense in this, I know not. Perhaps they are afraid of someone who has a stronger sense of individuality. Secretly they envy us (at least a good deal of them). I say let them be short-haired and we shall be the eilte!


Very well put!  Here is suburbia everyone looks the same--same clothes, same cars, same hair.  I get more than my fair share of staring because my hair is red, wonder what people will do when its long.
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Reply #43 - Aug 29th, 2005 at 8:31am
 
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What a wonderful topic.

I just want to say that I feel my long hair is a part of my asertiveness to be an independantly thinking woman.

A couple of women at work (my job is at a library and 95% of the employees are female) suggested that now that I lost a lot of weight (and, you know, I'm in my 40's and all), that I should cut my hair, being as I was most likely hiding behind it because of how heavy I was.

I actually thought about it for awhile, and that's when I cut off my last 4-5".

Needless to say, I have come to my senses again and won't being doing that again anytime soon.  

8)

*excuse spelling errors, I got a thingymabob stuck in the middle of my post and tried to correct it.   Tongue


Gah Gah - gimme their address - I have my baseball bat , grrrrrrr.

That's such a typical thought though isn't it. 

Great comments here and I don't have time to be as thorough right now.

One of the things that occur to me though ... long hair put up is at least as exposing as short hair, so how does the theory of hiding fit there; also, what is so bad about hiding occasionally?  I think it's rather convenient to be able to lean forward and space out without anyone the wiser at times.

I do think it can be unfortunate if someone thinks all they are and have is their hair - but as long as things are somewhat in perspective all those cliches that are supposed to be negative are actually just an occasional option ...g
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Reply #44 - Aug 29th, 2005 at 2:18pm
 
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I know! They think that we wnat to look like carbon capies of the next person. These people actually believe that if we admantly state that we like our hair long, we are secretly longng to cut it. What the sense in this, I know not. Perhaps they are afraid of someone who has a stronger sense of individuality. Secretly they envy us (at least a good deal of them). I say let them be short-haired and we shall be the eilte!



It's all over our society.. I guess people just don't mind conforming all the time?  In the back of my "Glamor" magazine they had a huge section on "do's and don'ts" of fashion throughout your lifespan... they actually said that if you're over thirty, you should have shorter than waist length hair.   Said Crystal Gayle is an entertainer, not a role model...  Roll Eyes

I just want to be like.. look, wear your hair how you want it, just take care of it.  Long, short, however you like... just be true to YOURSELF.

((By the way, thank you, Rogue.  8)))
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