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Message started by Kathleen on May 21st, 2005 at 2:18am

Title: split ends and fine hair
Post by Kathleen on May 21st, 2005 at 2:18am
I have problems with split ends.  Two problems actually.  Nay, three.  One, they're there. Two, they're really bad.  Three, I can't see them.

When I was younger I used to think it was physically impossible to see split ends.  My hair is now a mixture of these fine hairs, and the still very fine but you can actually see them hairs.  I also have a few black, copper and white hairs that are thick, but they're few andfar between (like ten on my whole head)

When I do me search and destroy missions, I can't really see my split ends.  The only way I can be sure is to take an individual hair, hold it near the tip, put my finger on the very tip and bend it.  Then I might see it's been split about five times or whatever.  I let go, and it jsut looks like one hair again.  Sometimes I can see them, but usually I don't (especially when I'm looking for them)

I also have oily roots and they ends are dry.  I've been using fructus dry ends oily roots shampoo, which has helped a bit, but it seems to not be helping anymore.

So does anyone have any sugestions for finding/seeing split ends with really fine hair?

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by Babyfine on May 21st, 2005 at 3:08pm
I have very fine hair.  I have to confess I don't look for mine, although I have seem them without looking on occasion.  I have my hair microtrimmed by my stylist and I trust her to take them off.  My hair is still shy of BSL so I don 't do dusting myself.    I have found that after a year with Longlocks I have healthier hair.  

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by PreciousLocks on May 22nd, 2005 at 12:01am
I have the same problem - can't see the splits in my fine hair.  I have attributed it to a combination of fine hair, short hair (just shoulder length),  and my "short arm syndrome" eyesight that comes with age.  I remember I used to be able to see them.  I did try to spot them with a magnifying mirror a week or two ago and gave up.  I have decided to concentrate on keeping my hair as healthy as possible and not stress over something I can't fix, at this point anyway.  Besides I hate dusting  ;)

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by styg on May 22nd, 2005 at 12:40am
you have to hold your hair to a contrasting background: blonde hair on dark , dark hair on white. and having eagle yes helps too i suppose. i consider my hair fine and i usualy find damage at the white dot state (which is easily visible in dark hair).

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by Kathleen on May 22nd, 2005 at 9:02am
Yes, I do it against a dark backgound.  I can often see white dots, but not splits.  I actually just tried taking a photo of one of my split hairs that I cound, but it didn't work cos all you could see was the black background and no hair.  But it was one of my medium hairs, and it was spilt twice, once abour 5mm from the end, and the other about 15mm from the end.  I found it purley bu chance as I took a randomhair and presed my finger to the end to bend it, but normaly the splits just lie flat as one hair, or are just super fine.

appart from just getting regular trims (which I don't want to do as I can afford to pay someone and my mum (who has inch long hair) thinks cuting 'barey anything' off means at least three inches) what can I do?  Is dry ends making splits worse?  Considering I've had a trim quite recently (the day before I joined these boards or something) I think the splits must be a result of something I'm doing (or not doing now).

I know only sizors can FIX the ends, but what about preventing them?

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by bikerbraid on May 22nd, 2005 at 4:22pm

wrote on May 22nd, 2005 at 9:02am:
I know only sizors can FIX the ends, but what about preventing them?

Tell us what your daily routine is for you hair and maybe we can help identify the problem.

Off the top of my head, here's list of things I know can cause split ends:
1.  Combing hair while it is wet (and stretching it).
2.  Brushing hair with bristles that are not smooth
3.  Using non-hair friendly hair ties/binders.
4.  Making pony tales too tight
5.  Allowing product build on the hair which dries it out

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by Kathleen on May 24th, 2005 at 10:07am
ok. I wash my hair 2, sometimes three times a week, though sometimes only once, especially if I have a medieval event when I try to have as dirtyhair as pos to help keep head veils and hats on.

I use fructus fortifying (sorry about bad spelling!) shampoo for oily roots and dry ends, being extra sure to shampoo well into the roots.  Then I usually just condition the length, paying extra care to the ends, though sometimes I condition the roots as well.  

Once upon a time I would wring my hair in the towel, rub it hard and brus it with my natural bristle brush straight away (why dod I do that when I could hear the hairs snapping?) but since I have learned not to, I pat it with the towel and don't touch it.  Then about two hours later I carefully comb it with my fingers (no sharp or jagged nails, no rings) then carefully comb it with a comb, detangling the ends before moving up otherwise I just push my taffel to the end.  Then I'll leave it, and I'll braid it loosley just before bed.

They only hairties I use and the fabric metaless ones, the nice thick ones.  

I only wear my hair in a pony once a week, and then I try to keep it as low and as loose as I can.

I do wear my hair out, a lot.  I'm up at 5:30 quite often to get to uni, thats way to early to eat let alone do my hair.  Besides, I love wearing my hair out.  I wasn't alowed to at school, and on the occasional free dress day I would wear it out, and my friends would all tell me how nice it looked.  Besides, it looks blond out, and when I wear it in my usual plat it looks grey.  I think wearing it out at uni may help cause split ends, but I try to be careful.  

Currently the only products I use on my hair is shampoo and conditioner. I haven't used a hairdryer in about ten years, and have only used heat to curl my haid about three times in those ten years.  (though when I was eight I used to crimp my hair HEAPS, we had crimpers at home... lol, did anyone else live through that age?)

But yes, that is my routene.

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by bikerbraid on May 24th, 2005 at 10:17am
Looks like you have adapted to a fairly hair friendly hair routine - congratulations.

The only thing I might suggest is to add a vinegar rinse about every 3rd or 4th shampooing.  The shampoo that you are using most likely has -cones which can build up and eventually dry out the hair (especially the ends!).  A vinegar rinse will help remove that buildup so that the hair does not suffocate.

When wearing your hair loose, try to make sure the fabrics your hair comes in contact with are smooth and not catching.  I will wear a nice scarf as a shawl to protect my loose hair from scratchy sweaters or other fabrics that like to attack my hair.

Using a bit of oil on the ends can help with the dryness.  I like jojoba oil for my ends.

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by Kathleen on May 24th, 2005 at 10:30am

Looks like you have adapted to a fairly hair friendly hair routine - congratulations.


I have actually been meaning to start vinegar rinces, my mum has a big bottle of white vinegar for washing the floor, is that alright to use? I've actually been waiting for the privacy of our own bathroom to start this (me and my sister have a bathroom upstairs) however somethings wrong with the shower and the plumber is comming about a month and a halfago (don't you love plumbers?)  so I've had to use the evil downstairs bathroom.  :(  II hate it, there's no room in the shower, the water pressure hurts me, and there isn't anywhere to put bottles andstuff)

How mush do you dilute the vinegar? am I correct in thinking it goes after the shampoo and before the conditioner?

and with the fabric thing, its winter now so I've been wearing my coat. I noticed my hair sticks to it, so I just twist it loosley and tuch it under the coat  (it also keeps my hair warm, when its really long I'll wrap it around my neck like a scarf, lol)

I can get the vo5 hot oil treatment stuff from the shop where I work, is that a good oil to use?

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by bikerbraid on May 24th, 2005 at 11:10am
Vinegar rinses can use white or apple cider vinegar.  You will want to dilute it before pouring it over your hair.  I usually do my vinegar rinse after shampooing and before conditioning.  The ratio of vinegar to water does not need to be exact.  I put about a quarter cup of vinegar in a 2 liter bottle then fill the bottle with warm water.  If you are concerned about the smell of vinegar, try using less vinegar, then use a conditioner that has a nice scent to it.

VO5 hot oil treatment has a number of different oils in it and is a good deep conditioner.

Good luck!

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by Valerie on May 29th, 2005 at 1:17am
I prefer olive or jojoba oil to the VO5, or any other hot oil sold that I tried.  Cheaper too.  

Title: Re: split ends and fine hair
Post by oldkathy on Aug 27th, 2006 at 8:07pm
I have found that washing with conditioner only has helped my hair a lot.  I use a "cone free" conditioner - VO5 conditioner, pour a couple of tablespoons into my hand, then massage into damp hair.  I may add more, if I feel like it isn't enough.  Then I rinse for a looong time.  I use a microfiber towel and let my hair air dry.  (finger comb only)  

I do still find occasional splits, but not like I used to.  My hair is very fine, and does break easily.  So I try to treat it like fine silk.

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