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eKatherine: The Care and Feeding of my Hair
Jul 4th, 2004 at 12:28am
 
I like to write, but I'm not chatty, so this journal's going to be focused mostly on my hair. Bikerbraid invited me to introduce myself a while back, but since that didn't happen...here I am.

My hair is fine, straight with a little wave at the ends only, and medium-thick. When wet it forms long, stretched-out corkscrews, but when dry, the weight seems to make it appear completely straight. I think if it was medium or coarse instead of fine, it would show its curl, but we'll never know.

My sister was born a towhead, and gradually darkened to medium brown, hair that I remember as stick-straight, but shows a wave at the ends in old photos. I always had darkest brown hair, although the ends tended to fade to chestnut.

I remember getting perms as a small child, both at home and in salons, where I saw ladies getting their white hair tinted blue and lavender, which I still think is pretty cool. Perms? Not cool. Putting a small child in rollers on a regular basis is foolishness. My natural hair was perfectly fine.

I have a photo of myself in the 5th grade, with uneven shoulder-length hair with a natural flip. The next year, my hair was longer and blunt cut, and my mother cut my bangs about 1¼" long, which made them curl up like a fifties movie star. Really, really uncool, when bangs were supposed to be long and straight, tapering around your browline.

When I was in junior high, bubbleheads were in style, and I tried my hardest, but fine silky hair doesn't pouf well, even with tons of dippity-do and hairspray. I slept poorly on rollers, and repeated visits to my mother's beauty parlor couldn't change my natural hair characteristics. By the time I was in high school, I resolved to grow my hair long. At some point the bangs grew out, and I stopped cutting my hair. After I went to college, then left it, I had one of those trims that was supposed to be an inch, but turned into 6", and the impossibility of finding a compatible stylist meant I never bothered to get my hair cut.

At 19, I got a job in a factory, and I remember the women remarking about how much hair was caught in my hairbrush, so I must have been wearing it loose then. Later, my hair got longer, and I started braiding it and leaving it braided for a day or two between washes. Finally it reached my knees, and I was unable to brush it myself. So I cut it off, tired of being unstylish for so long. Then: bad perm, self-haircuts, bad salon haircut, sigh.  Since that time I've let it grow out a couple of times, and for a long time it had been touching my waist and breaking off there.

But no more. Now that I'm taking care of my hair (CO washing, conditioning, oiling, wearing updos) it's growing visibly longer. I just started measuring my hair at the beginning of April, so I don't have much to compare with, but today I realized that last September, the students in my class measured my hair (from the center part to the ends) as part of a metric experiment, and it came to 24". The ends are now 31" using that method, and I've had a 2½" trim, so wow, that's a lot of growth. 9½" in 10 months! It doesn't seem to be growing so fast lately, but I have to touch up the roots even when my length doesn't appear to increase. It must be something happening with my wavies, because conditioning seems to draw out curl and waves (a little bit).

My mother has peachy skin with pale freckles, and always colored her hair red. My father is olive. I have ivory skin with brown freckles in the sun, which I have always avoided like the plague. I figured I should be a redhead with my coloring, and when the gray started to make me look washed out, I did it. There's a post in the thread on touching up roots where I posted my hair care routine, which involves CO wash with a clarifying conditioner, moisturizing conditioner, clairol creme conditioner, leave-in spritzers and oil. I'm not going to copy it here, but I assure you all, it will come up again.

My current moisturizing conditioner containes one silicone, and I thought I'd try this, since some people like cones. I've probably used something with silicones in the past, as I've never read ingredients on a label before.

This summer I've been mostly wearing my hair in a ponytail, but when school starts again I'll be wearing it up most of the time again, either in a bun or some variation of a crown braid. The flash failed on my camera, so I can't post you any new pictures right now.

Today I got a huge compliment from the guy who owns the natural food that I've patronized for 25 years. So I must be doing something right. Crown braids get noticed a lot, too.

I take biotin and silica for my hair, though it's impossible to tell if they've had any effect. And I eat meat, as hair is made of protein. My hair grows twice as fast as my duighter's, and I eat more meat than her. Coincidence? I think not.

More later.

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Reply #1 - Jul 7th, 2004 at 2:38am
 
Tonight I tried to do a heat treatment with Queen Helene Cholesterol Creme. You're supposed to massage in a "generous amount" - how much is that? - to towel-dried hair, add a few drops of water and lather up - nothing happened here - and put under the heat cap for ½ hour. That part I was able to do, but my hair probably will still be wet tomorrow morning, so I can't tell you if it worked better than just spritzing the diluted product on my hair as a leave-in. I may never know.

Someone posted a query on another website about the thickness of hair at the end of the braid, and it started me thinking: If my ponytail is 3½" around at the nape of my neck, and 1" around 1½" from the ends, where does the thickness go away?

I found that I lose ½" of thickness for each 2" of length, except that at the very end, I should be still ½" thick, but the hair ends, so I'm basically missing 2". I figure this is a result of damage done until quite recently. If I'm going to grow my hair to classic length or longer, I'll have to hope that the trend is toward thickening. Otherwise, I'd never reach past tailbone.

Tailbone...where is that, anyway? I have padding  Roll Eyes, especially in the hip region. Where do people consider tailbone length to be?
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Reply #2 - Jul 9th, 2004 at 1:45pm
 
Last night I did another Cholesterol Creme treatment, this one a little different.

First of all, I wanted to see if the stuff worked better if my hair had no conditioners on it first, so after COing with Suave Daily Clarifying Conditioner (which actually doesn't have much conditioning effect), I didn't apply my usual two other conditioners.

Remember how the label said to apply generously to the hair, add some water, and lather up? Last time that didn't work out, so this time I took ¼ cup and mixed it with an ounce of warm water first, making it about the consistency of mayonnaise. It applied easily, and the amount was about right.

After the heat treatment, I rinsed it out in the sink, and dang! it was tangly, as if it were not conditioned. At this point it was bedtime, so I went to bed with it wet. It rained all night, and this morning I woke up with my hair still seriously damp, and still behaving unconditioned. So after a couple of hours, I couldn't stand the thought of my hair being unconditioned, and jumped in the shower. I applied a VO5 without cones, a VO5 with cones, and a dab of Clairol post-haircolor conditioner,  which goes a long way when you use it like this.

So my hair is happy again, showing those cute wavies around the end that it does when I supercondition.

Whew!

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Reply #3 - Jul 13th, 2004 at 2:50pm
 
Saturday night I oiled my hair with (liquified) coconut oil, til it was all a little bit oily. I love the way coconut oil is neither greasy nor sticky, so it goes on really thin. If I had curly hair, I could oil it and wear it out, and people would think I'd bought one of those expensive salon products you use to make your hair look like something other than real hair.

[I saw a tourist in town the other day, very self-satisfied with the level of grooming she had achieved, her hair looking like orange-tan curly raffia.  ???]

Then I put my hair up on top of my head, put the heat cap on, and gave it half an hour. I washed out the oil a couple of times with White Rain Extra Body, which is now available locally, then put on a moisturizing conditioner without cones, one with cones, and a dab of clairol color conditioner. The hair took forever to dry (this time of the year it's often really humid), but it was nice and soft.

So I went out with it down, and 10 minutes later I had a knot on top that needed to be cut out.  Cry

Waaaaah!

Oh, well, water under the bridge.

Right now I have my coconut-oiled hair under the cap again. Since I'm only working nights this week and have the time, why not?

So far I haven't had any cone buildup, and I'm thinking that as long as I don't put it on totally unconditioned hair, perhaps the cones won't actually build up excessively.

But we'll see.
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Reply #4 - Jul 15th, 2004 at 3:23pm
 
Just CO washed my hair, and while it drips, I was thinking about terminal length, which is being discussed on a different part of this board.

What is terminal length? Is it
  • the length at which hair stops growing?
  • the length that a hair reaches and immediately falls out?
  • how long hair gets, given how we're treating it?

The first possibility would mean that we could have terminal-length hair that was in reasonable condition at the ends, tapering slightly to reflect the cycle of hair growth.

Clearly for the second and third cases, the ends will be shaggy, and the hair will taper to nothingness at the bottom.

How can we tell the difference between these?

If we measure the ponytail and count the number of hairs in a much smaller rope, we can approximate how many hairs are on a person's head. Carefully save the hairs (with roots) you lose over a period of a month, and find out what percentage you are losing.

If a person had 100,000 hairs, and their hair had reached its terminal length at 25" (here I'm assuming that all sections of the head measure at 25", not the typical measurement from the hairline back), according to the second option above, they would be losing 2% of their hair each month. This comes to a hair loss of 2,000 hairs a month! Sixty seven hairs a day! It's hard to believe that hair loss like this would go unnoticed.

I currently am losing hardly any hair, just a few with each shampoo.

But it occurred to me, sitting here with damp hair, waiting for it to dry, that I had enough time to actually figure out how many hairs I had on my head. 

I also found that it's really tedious and unreliable to try to count such fine hair.

I counted a "bunch" of hair, twisted firmly into a little string measuring 1/16" diameter. In this string were 377 hairs.

The area of that 1/16" bunch of hair was .00307 square inches. My ponytail on top of the head (where it measures thickest) is 4", which has an area of 1.27 square inches. So if I have 122,801 hairs per square inch I have approximately 156,000 hairs on my head.

So if it seems like I'm only losing 10 full-length hairs a week, let's say 50 a month, that would give my hair a "growth period" of 3,120 months, which would be a length of 1,560 inches, or 130 feet.

Clearly my #1 hair growth adversary is not terminal length, but hair damage.
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Reply #5 - Jul 20th, 2004 at 1:50am
 
This morning I decided to clarify my hair with a vinegar rinse. Since the rinse is supposed to remove buildup from conditioners, I decided to use it before conditioning, and since I CO only, that means I used it first.

I mixed 1/4 cup of white vinegar in a quart of warm water and used it to wet my hair. Then I rinsed it out, CO'd with Suave Daily Clarifying, White Rain Extra body, a VO5 product, and finished with Pantene conditioner. The Pantene suspiciously resembles the Clairol conditioner that comes in the hair color box, but since that one doesn't have an ingredients list, I can't be sure.

Afterwards, my hair was almost wavy. All the little locklets were hanging in long drawn-out ringlets, and when it dried, there was still soft curl at the end. Wonderfully soft and shiny. Love it!

Here's a link that talks about clarifying with light oils.

http://www.linearaveda.com/education/condition.html

I wonder if the coconut oil I have been using is such a light oil. On the Camden-Grey website www.camdengrey.com they describe oils in just these terms. So jojoba and macadamia nut oils are light and absorbed by the skin and hair, while essential oils have their flash points listed.

So after a while my hair dried, and I got tired of playing with it and put it up in a french braid from the widow's peak to the neckline. Then, because I don't like the fact that french braids get hairy, I put it up in a bun in back.  I fastened it with a couple of bunheads hairpins http://www.bunheads.com/producttext/3sizes_hairpins.html and some hairsticks that I keep in my hair kit for just such occasions. Sorry if the pictures are a little dark, my flash doesn't work.

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And I did it without a mirror.

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Reply #6 - Jul 22nd, 2004 at 3:18pm
 
That is a gorgeous look, eKatherine.

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Reply #7 - Jul 22nd, 2004 at 5:51pm
 
Thanks, Kate.

I've decided to wet my hair with the vinegar rinse from now on, then CO wash according to the method I outlined earlier in the thread, as long as this way works. I did it that way yesterday, too.

Today I decided I needed to touch up the roots, as it's been a long time, and they were more than half an inch long. For anybody who's considering coloring their own hair, I recommend that before you even open the box the first time, you make the decision to master carefully touching up your roots regularly, not making that decision after you have damaged your hair with over processing. Your hair is too valuable to treat any other way, and it does make a difference.

I never do more than touch up my roots, although the instructions say to put the rest of the color throughout your hair for the last 5 minutes. I think they just say that to make you use up more color. I touch up with half a box.

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After rinsing out the mess, I put on the hydrience conditioner in my shower, and surprise! My hair didn't feel especially well conditioned. I guess I'm getting used to spoiling my hair. So I reached for the Pantene Pro-V and slathered it over, much better. It's still wet at this point, but I think it'll be fine when dry.

I've got to get some oils to clarify with. I have this crazy idea that if I lightly oil my hair before leaving work at night, put on a micro heat cap, and some sort of a tam or turban, it'll be ready to wash out when I get home.

After coloring, I bleached my eyebrows for 10 minutes with Jolen cream bleach, so now I look like a natural redhead again.

I'm good to go for another few weeks.

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Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2004 at 5:02pm
 
I made an appointment this morning for a trim next Tuesday. <<shudder>>
It must be that it's July, but those thin ends that I didn't take off during my last trim are now bugging the heck out of me, even though there's no new damage. My stylist wanted to take off 2½" more last time, but I was chicken. Now I wonder what I should do.

Even though it means adding a bunch of extra time before I reach classic. Maybe I'll just do half of that.

But I don't really want to leave it alone, then reach classic and immediately have to drastically trim it in order not to be ashamed of how pitiful the ends might look.

Dither dither. Waffle waffle. Pix soon.
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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2004 at 2:09am
 
I went to the natural foods store and bought some oils:
  • tea tree oil
  • jojoba
  • sweet orange oil
  • macadamia nut oil

First I mixed up some of all of these into a clarifying oil mix, as they are all light oils that should be absorbed into the hair and dissolve cone buildup. Whew! That tea tree oil made me smell like a walking insect repellent. I'm glad I only bought a tiny bottle.

I applied it to my hair so that it was slightly oily allover. I'm glad I didn't mix up too much, too. After a half-hour (during which time I could have applied heat, but didn't) the odor gradually faded, as the volatile oils evaporated. Then I poured over my vinegar rinse, washed with Suave and White Rain. Next I decided to try a product called Elasta QP Intense Fortifying Hair Conditioner that I got from a site specializing in black hair care products.

Water, hexadecanol, quaternium-18, squalane, hydrolized silk protein, cetrimonium bromide, stearyl alcohol, extracts of chamomile, nettle, birch, rosemary, chestnut, guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, methylparaben, imidazolidinyl urea, benzophenone-4, fragrance, FD&C yellow no.5.

As I prepared to apply it, I realized that it said to apply heat for 10 minutes for maximum benefit to damaged hair. So I got out of the shower, put it on, put the greazy hair up under a shower cap and put on the heat cap.

Well, actually after cleaning out the kitchen sink, so I'd have a place to rinse the stuff out. So while it spent about 15 minutes under heat, it actually was on for a while longer. Then after rinsing it out, I put on Pantene Pro-V, rinsed that, toweled, and put some jojoba on my damp hair.

Today it was so incredibly silky.

I went to visit my daughter in Boston today. We were to meet at Chinatown for a dim sum breakfast, but all trains into the city were diverted, and I had to drive. The directions she gave me were totally farkled up, so I ended up going an hour out of my way, without a map, in a driving rainstorm.

But aside from seeing her and gifting her stuff, the highlight of the trip was visits to three drugstores that we don't have up here. I bought a tube of cocoa butter and a new wide tooth comb designed to hang in the shower.

I melted 1 part of cocoa butter with one part of coconut oil, added 1 part of macadamia oil and 1 part of jojoba. It smells so good, and goes on really light. I think that maybe if I can apply oil to the hair around my hairline in back, front, and temples, I can get it to stop breaking off. Finally.

Things are looking up for the mane.
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Reply #10 - Jul 28th, 2004 at 12:01am
 
Yesterday I CO washed my hair, nothing special, to prepare for my trim this morning, bright and early @ 7:30am.

First the stylist said something to the effect that, "We're taking off two or three inches...?", but I told him that this time it was 1¼", which is exactly what came off. There was lots more hair on the floor than the last trim.  Last time I only had wispies trimmed at the ends.  Sometime after the holidays, I should be able to get my last significant trim to remove damaged ends.

Here's a pic comparing before and after:

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They were taken in the same room, but I've replaced some of the bulbs with brighter fluorescents. I think I should go brighter still for better definition.

I just downloaded a gif animator off the web, so here's an animation of my last three length shots:

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The order of the pictures is last trim (April/May?)-last week-after trim.
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Reply #11 - Jul 28th, 2004 at 1:56am
 
Your hair is beautiful!  Neat animation too.
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Reply #12 - Jul 29th, 2004 at 1:36pm
 
Last night I decided to wash my hair, and knowing that come fall, I won't be able to baby it every washday, I figured I'd try a double heat treatment, which is something I'll be able to do on the weekends.

I slicked my hair with the light oil mixture I had made previously (macadamia oil, jojoba, tea tree oil, sweet orange oil - all of which smells like an insect repellent), put on a shower cap to keep evaporation down, and put on the heat cap for about half an hour. Then, into the shower, scrub with Suave Daily Clarifying, then White Rain Extra Body. Out of the shower, I towel-dried, and applied some Queen Helene Cholesterol Creme that I had diluted with 50% water.

(Reading the label on this, now, it looks like it's full of hydrating stuff, maybe it could make a good hydrating rinse before my final detangling, even without the heat cap.) 

On with the shower cap and heat cap again, another 1/2 hour at the computer, rinse out, apply Pantene Pro-V, rinse again. Then, out of the shower, towel dry, and put jojoba through my wet ends, especially around the nape, where the hairs are totally damaged, and sideburn area, where none of the hairs grow longer than 8".

It's morning now, but I'll tell you, my hair took forever to dry. I ended going to bed with the hair wet, so I couldn't post results last night.

It wonderfully thick, full, and silky, and sort of perfumey, from the Queen Helene fragrance.

My braid is now 3-5/8" around at the nape, and 2" around at the bottom band, which is about 13" from the neckline. The last band of a band-wrapped pony, about 2" from the bottom, is now about 1-1/2" around. So my ends are evening up.

My hair feels so short again! I want tailbone!
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Reply #13 - Jul 29th, 2004 at 1:59pm
 
eKatherine-your hair is beautiful!! I can only wish I
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Reply #14 - Jul 31st, 2004 at 9:55pm
 
Thanks, babyfine.

Today I was reading about scalp wash on the LHC boards. It's been really hot and sticky today, my face keeps dripping with grease, and I realized that I was ready to try scalp wash. I needed to take a quick shower and I wanted to wash my hair, even though my hair surely wasn't dirty yet.  But I definitely didn't need to spend all that time in the shower, doing my routine.  Nor did I want to have wet hair for hours.

Lady Godiva puts her pony in a baggie when she does her scalp wash, but I had a feeling this wasn't going to work well for me.

What I did was to put my hair in a scrunchy high up on the back of my head and pull the scrunchy loose about 3" off the scalp. I braided the length, fastened with an elastic band, and put a clinch clip in at the end of the braided part.
I tied a piece of elastic around the end of the braid, so the clip kept it from slipping off, put a loop in the other end, and hung it on a hook over my kitchen sink.  (I'll bet this looked pretty funny.)  Then I turned the water on, sprayed down my scalp, massaged in white rain, rinsed well, and wrapped a towel around the wet part.

It was much quicker than I thought it was going to be, and my hair is clean and damp on the scalp, and clean and silky on the ends. Just a dab of jojoba around the hairline, where the fuzzies break off, and I was finished.

It was, in fact, easier than pie, and a lot quicker.

This has real potential.
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Reply #15 - Aug 6th, 2004 at 8:28pm
 
I did a scalp wash again today. I think that's 3 times I've done scalp washes. But the deal is, if my ends look fine, and feel silky, why bother washing them, considering how much time a scalp wash saves. If I strip off the oils and cones, I'll just have to put them back on.

So a scalp wash was White Rain Energizing Citrus today. My hair isn't completely dry now, and it's up in a bun, but I think that product is working for me. I just did two applications of conditioner, massaged vigorously, and rinsed. With my braid hanging from a hook over the sink, of course. Tongue

For just my scalp area, I'm not going to concern myself with more conditioning. I ran a touch of jojoba through the wet hair around my nape after taking off the towel, then spritzed the dry ends with my miracle oil spray Wink*.

I'm traveling to Montana next Tuesday, and my roots are starting to show. I'm not sure I feel like I should touch them up yet, but I'm sure I don't want full roots showing while I'm away. Ick.

*Miracle oil spray:  In a small spray bottle, put 1 oz water, 1/8 tsp jojoba, 1/8 tsp macadamia oil, 1 drop narcissus essential oil, and 2 drops orange essential oil. Shake well before and during spraying on dry hair.
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Reply #16 - Aug 8th, 2004 at 2:52pm
 
I changed my mind again. The White Rain Energizing Citrus left my hair feeling and looking greasy after that last scalp wash. So yesterday, after just one day, I did a full length wash in the shower - acv rinse, Suave Daily Clarifying Conditioner, Suave Extra Body Conditioner, Elasta QP and Pantene Pro-V. Followed by some jojoba. Back to normal.

I'm thinking that maybe the conditioners I've tried that have left my hair feeling greasy might be ok for a third rinse, but they don't have enough cleansing capabilities to offset the oils they leave behind.

Gotta do my roots. I could let it go another week, but I'll be traveling for a week and a half, and the last thing I want to try to do is touching up my roots in a motel room somewhere. Yeeh.

But, on the plus side, I've installed some new mirrors in the bathroom, so I should finally be able to see what I'm doing when I'm trying to daub my scalp in the back and side back.
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Reply #17 - Aug 9th, 2004 at 8:15pm
 
I broke down and colored my hair again. I see that the last time I posted about hair coloring was about 2-1/2 weeks ago, so maybe all that protein I'm eating is making it grow faster.

I noticed that the hydrience conditioner doesn't seem to be conditioning my hair as well as I remembered. After rinsing out the color, I put it on, and it took at least half the tube to coat my hair. But when I rinsed it out, it was still sort of tangly, not slippery at all.

So I put in some Elasta QP (gotta order some more of this stuff) and, after rinsing it out, Pantene Pro-V. Nice and sleek. I guess I'm just getting used to having spoiled hair.

I'm going on vacation tomorrow, to Montana to visit the folks, and I don't know if my motel will have a connection. So I'm going to bring my computer, but I may just end up playing video games and language-learning CDROMs if I'm out of touch. I guess I'll be leaving the heat cap behind, too.  8)

My mother tells me there's an indoor swimming pool at the motel, and I should bring a bathing suit. Not that I've got anything against swimming, truly, but I haven't owned a suit in 10 years, and they're out of season locally. Maybe I'll just lounge by the poolside and soak up the humidity, rather than doing something that will require the dreaded SHAMPOOING.
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Reply #18 - Aug 11th, 2004 at 3:44am
 
Howdy, just thought I'd drop a note to mention that I use White Rain Energizing Citrus too, and it leaves my hair kinda greasy as well if I don't use a shampoo with it. So you're not alone with that one.  Wink

Have fun in Montana! And I don't like swimming pools either. I prefer lakes myself.  Smiley
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Re: eKatherine: The Care and Feeding of my Hair
Reply #19 - Aug 23rd, 2004 at 1:52am
 
I know I haven't updated in a while. While I was in Montana, I found my motel was a block from an Osco Drugstore, which happened to have a Scünci sale going on that week. I went every day, bought lots of stuff at 50% off, including a microfiber hair-wrap towel. Other things I bought included a Carrot oil cholesterol treatment, which it turns out has a less obtrusive fragrance than Queen Helene, and seems to have more conditioning properties.

A little OT, but Osco has the best wine selection I've ever seen in a drugstore, too.Shocked

So while I was away, I babied my hair, but now, the summer being almost over, I have the feeling that I'm going to be needing to spend less time on my hair treatments. I realized what I need to do is figure out what conditioners are good for what. So what I've been doing is CO washing my hair with one conditioner only, air-drying, and observing the effects.

I had an idea that I could compare the ingredients list of effective products with ineffective products, but now I'm not so sure. I'm guessing that it's the proportion of ingredients that's important, more so than the exact ones present.

I've decided (feel free to make suggestions here) that there are basically 4 kinds of conditioners, based on their effects on the hair.
  • 1. Those that clean hair well, but do not condition adequately
  • 2. Those that do not clean well, leaving a greasy coating on the hair
  • 3. Those that clean well, and leave the hair feeling conditioned
  • 4. Silicone conditioners, intended to glaze the hair
So far I've tried some products that I bought previously. After I get enough info, I'll post a table, especially if people who have tried products that worked or didn't work can let me know exactly which product you tried, and what its effects were. I would also request that you have tried the product at least twice, unless you normally CO wash. It takes a week or so to get the hang of CO washing, so the first time it rarely works.

Also, I don't intend to CO wash with any silicone products.

An interesting observations: You'll notice category 2, products that leave a greasy coating. This includes one product so far that, even though it left a greasy coating on my hair, left the ends feeling dangerously dry.

The big surprise: VO5 Free Me Freesia, leaves my hair feeling as nice - silky, moist, and clean - as my whole usual multistep routine. Wow!

I should buy a case!  Cheesy
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Re: eKatherine: The Care and Feeding of my Hair
Reply #20 - Sep 25th, 2004 at 8:38pm
 
Here's the deal: not only have I been really busy, but I've been putting a lot less effort into hair care, so there wasn't all that much to write about. What I've been doing is a single CO wash with a suitable conditioner, then after the hair is dry, I touch it up with a little jojoba. Not very exciting, but very time-efficient.

Two conditioners I've been happy with lately are VO5 hydrators (contains silicone) and VO5 free me freesia. Both work great as a single CO wash.

Another thing I've done is to figure out how fast my hair mass is increasing. Since I know the area of my ponytail, it was a simple thing to multiply that times my hair growth rate (which we'll assume is currently 1/2" per month) to get my hair mass increase - .36 cubic inches per month, or about 4 cubic inches per year. This is the rate at which the size of my chignon is increasing. Indeed, it has been noticeable that my chignon in increasing in size, even though my length has been held steady by trimming the thinner ends.

So if I allowed my hair to grow to floor length, it would be about 38 cubic inches (from about 16 cubic inches now), gradually increasing as I trimmed out the damaged part, to finally reach about 45 cubic inches.

We'll see.
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Re: eKatherine: The Care and Feeding of my Hair
Reply #21 - Sep 27th, 2004 at 4:53pm
 
ekatherine- would you consider your increasing volume/
thickness to be due to CO washing? Better care?  I'm
trying CO washing not entirely successful.
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Reply #22 - Sep 27th, 2004 at 10:33pm
 
I consider it to be a major factor. Among the things I am doing differently now that I have achieved enlightenment:

  • CO wash only. I haven't bought shampoo since the first time I CO washed. This also means I condition every time, which I wasn't doing before. Often I use more than one conditioner, too.
  • No more blow drying, even if I wasn't getting it completely dry.
  • Wearing my hair up, or at least in a ponytail.
  • Not letting it get mats. This is a biggie. So I no longer wear my favorite fuzzy pullover when my hair is down, and I detangle much more frequently.
  • Frequent oiling. Coconut oil or jojoba.


Most of the people I know of who were unable to CO wash were using unsuitable products. Every brand makes a great many products, and you can't predict which will work by the brand name. Those I like (so far) are VO5 Free me freesia *and* Hydrators, Suave Daily Clarifying, and White Rain Extra Body.

The worst were also by these same brands, products which left the hair feeling simultaneously greasy and unconditioned, with dry ends. Gross. I read postings by women who used these same products that didn't work for me, had the same results as I did, and concluded that CO wash didn't work for them.

YMMV.
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Reply #23 - Sep 27th, 2004 at 11:40pm
 
Thanks ekatherine.  I shampoo once a week with a SLES
shampoo and CO the rest of the time, right now using
VO5 kiwi-lime.   I've also quit blow drying and using
the curling iron.  I thought I was taking good care of
my hair by s/c every other day andcurling  iron once
a week.  I haven't touched a curling iron in 3 months
and have only blow dried a couple of times on low.
i've also been oiling the ends with jojoba oil.  Also started taking GNC ultranourish hair but I might quit
because it bother my stomach and I think it makes me break out.  Hopefully over time these will increase my
horizontal volume as well as length.    Smiley




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Reply #24 - Dec 1st, 2004 at 11:07pm
 
Things have been changing very slowly for me, but now that I think about it, the changes I've accrued merit writing down.

Like Anais, I stopped measuring. I was the worst tape measure addict, too. I want to wait til my hair is at tailbone, is that too much to ask? I figure that will be in two or three months.

But finally my hair feels long again. It's longer than it was before my traumatic 1-1/4" trim at the end of July, and it seems to be growing at a reasonable pace, judging by the frequency that I need to touch up my roots. I can also measure it from the floor up, using a yardstick. By this method, it's 3/4" longer than it was for that trim, so I probably am growing at about 1/2" average per month.

As I said, I still color, and I am still convinced I was meant to be a redhead. The color's still looking good.

Washing is a bit different now. When I shower and wash, I first wet my hair with a rinse of 1/2 cup vinegar in 1 quart of warm water. I then wash with VO5 Free Me Freesia, VO5 Hydrators, Suave Daily Clarifying Conditioner, or White Rain Extra Body (which I am going to phase out as I no longer consider it sufficiently cleansing for every wash use) and scrub my scalp well. I then apply Elasta QP Intense, for damaged hair (why take a chance? I color  Tongue), leave for 2 minutes, then Hollywood Beauty Cholesterol Creme, which I leave for another 2 minutes. I then apply Pantene Pro-V as a finishing glaze. While wet I then apply jojoba or an oil blend I have concocted.

This past week I decided to try scalp wash every day til I got the hang of it, as washing the length (and waiting for it to dry) is getting to be a drag. I put my hair in a ponytail off the top/back of my head, and pull it out about 4" off the scalp. I band it as tightly as possible, and braid the length. Then I band this with a ponytail holder that is linked to another. The free ponytail holder gets hung on a hook over my kitchen sink, so the braid is out of the way. I hose with the sprayer, wash once with Suave DCC, rinse, and I'm done. Only the top third of my hair is wet, and it makes a huge amount of difference in drying time and comfort.

I'll bet this operation looks ridiculous.

How long can one go without full wash, not working a dirty job or consorting with smokers?
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Re: eKatherine: The Care and Feeding of my Hair
Reply #25 - Dec 2nd, 2004 at 1:43am
 
eKatherine--I'm going to have to try your scalp washing method.  I hate having wet hair all day long, and if I can figure something like that out it could really solve that problem.
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Re: eKatherine: The Care and Feeding of my Hair
Reply #26 - Dec 4th, 2004 at 11:13pm
 
I broke down and washed my hair in the shower on Thursday night. I wanted to scrub the roughness off my feet, and the long shower seemed better than sitting with my feet in a bucket.

I have decided that White Rain Extra Body doesn't clean well enough for CO wash, after using it for several days in a row. Almost good enough, but the hair looks a bit greasy at the roots the next day. Now I need to figure out what I'm going to do with four bottles of it...

I felt an uncontrollable urge to trim today, so I tried Feye's method of trimming.

http://members.fortunecity.com/feye/trim/

I didn't want to lose any length and my ends look healthy, but a few irregular hairs sticking out at the bottom were getting to me. I ended up cutting only the hairs that were longer than most, and losing no length at all. Next time I need a trim, I'm definitely going to do it myself.
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Re: eKatherine: The Care and Feeding of my Hair
Reply #27 - Dec 5th, 2004 at 12:51am
 
I agree with you there I'm gunna do it myself too. I have been layering my own hair now for a few months, and the way they have you do it on a site i found you end up losing only a half an inch or lesson the bottom length. And doing that helped to get rid of some of my split ends. I still have a lot though. But if I do my own cuts and trims I end up losing less length.  Grin
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Reply #28 - Dec 11th, 2004 at 11:36am
 
I was reading on another site about the experiences of other women doing scalp washes. They seem to use shampoo but no conditioner, and since my scalp had been feeling less clean lately (due no doubt to the fact that you can't massage it all that well during a scalp wash), I decided to try this.

All I can say is, don't try this at home. My hair hadn't been especially tangly since I started to supercondition it, but boy it brought back memories of back when I had to brush mats out every few hours. Even reapplying jojoba to the nape and hairline had only a temporary effect. I'll never do that again.

I've discovered cocoa butter. When you melt it and apply it to the skin, it goes on very thinly with no greasiness, and when you add jojoba to it in the melted state, it feels even nicer. I put some on my ends, actually a little too much, but after it cooled and I brushed it out it didn't have that sticky oily look.

I had a vision while in my shower of the perfect shower. First, it would be one of those giant custom stalls you see in the fixture brochures. It will probably be 4' x 6', or maybe a bit larger, as it needs to be large enough for the comfy lawn chair I'm going to put in there. So after I do my wash, and put on a conditioner that benefits from staying in the hair, I put on a cap to protect the hair, put the controls on "heat" and "steam", and relax for 15 minutes. Then, after I rinse it out, I can put in my Hollywood beauty cholesterol cream condioner and repeat the relaxation cycle. So it would be kind of like an all-purpose spa as well as a shower.

I'll have to get my hair minions on this right away.
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Reply #29 - Dec 11th, 2004 at 2:25pm
 
*Sigh, wouldn't that be great to  have a hair minion?
My hair's not that long and already I need Help!
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Reply #30 - Apr 4th, 2005 at 5:19am
 
Ekatherine may I inquire where did you get the gorgeous transparent hairsticks that you wear in the photo in the previous page of your journal?
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