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Mar 13th, 2007 at 7:17pm
 
They were talking on the local radio last weekend about the importance of everyone having a goal or goals in life which I think most of us have, whether it’s achieving long hair or whatever.

Then one father rang in and said that he couldn’t get his 17 year old son interested in anything at all and what should he do ? Which set me thinking what on earth must it feel like ? Really desolate and lost I would have thought ?

Anybody ever been in this situation and how did you get out of it ? Growing your hair just has to be one excellent way to start thinking positively naturally, though I seriously doubt this particular father would have been very amused !  Cheesy
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Reply #1 - Mar 13th, 2007 at 8:02pm
 
Most everyone has goals of some sort, whether they openly broadcast them or not. The real question is whether or not you want something badly enough to make it happen. It's a choice. And no one can help you if you refuse to help yourself.

That particular father probably placed himself in an assuming position, which is never good. Just because he might not see motivation or interest in his son doesn't mean that it isn't there. It just isn't humanly possible for a person not to be interested in anything.
    Children are prone to rejecting a parent's attempts to "get them into something" because it feels forced upon them. What this guy really needs to do is step back and let his son find his own way. Most 20-year-olds still have no idea what they want out of life, so it really isn't fair to try and force a 17-year-old kid to make up his mind right then and there. He has plenty of time to decide and will probably end up changing his mind several times anyway. That's life.

Of course, I understand the father's frustration. Any parent wants more for their child than to see them sitting around wasting their life. But overwhelming them with a "what do you want to do with your life?" approach is not the way to address those concerns. All that will accomplish is making the child feel totally useless.

Fortunately, I have never found myself in this type of situation, as I have always been very driven just to survive. But I do know what it's like to have such an assumption made about me, so I definitely know how not to handle it.

So long as the son isn't getting himself into any serious trouble, he should come out just fine.
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Reply #2 - Mar 14th, 2007 at 8:11am
 
wellllll...... I totally understand where the father of the 17 year old is coming from.  I have several friends with kids that have no apparent goals in life.  They sit around the house, or hang out with their friends and do nothing to prepare themselves for their future.  I agree that at 17 they may not be ready to set their long term - this is what I'm going to do for the rest of my life - goals, but they should be exercising their abilities to be productive.  Working a job, volunteering, participating in sports or after-school activities are great for that age.  They should also be exploring the work world so that they can be in a position to make a decision about what kinds of work they might be interested in (or NOT interested in!).  I know that today being active in scouts is considered passe', but the good things that scouting can provide, is learning responsibility and via the merit badges, exposure to career opportunities. 

I'm all for letting young adults make decisions for themselves, especially when it comes to their career paths, but careers don't suddenly appear when a person graduates.  Parents can help their kids by setting the groundwork for what expectations there are for them. 

:: getting down of the soapbox::  sorry for the rant... I just hate to see kids not take advantage of what is available to them and potentially waste their lives.  I also hate to see parents not live up to their responsibilities for raising their kids into independent adults.
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Reply #3 - Mar 14th, 2007 at 3:15pm
 
It is also possible that the 17 year old does have a goal, but knows that his parents' response will be negative.  That happened to me.  I knew what I wanted, but I had spent so many years listening to "you don't really want that", "It's such a hard life" and other things that I finally shut up and said, "I don't know."
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Reply #4 - Mar 14th, 2007 at 8:09pm
 
I'm with you, t.t!  Although, for me, listening to all of those negative comments took all of the fight out of me to make it happen.
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Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 6:01am
 
I think his dad should look at the positive that his son is enjoying life, thats not to say dont work, he should work but also be happy.

I would rather my daughter be poor and happy than rich and suicidal. Thats not so say i will encourage her not to make money but i will tell her that it does not bring happiness it only satisfys the need of living comfortably in society.
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Reply #6 - Mar 15th, 2007 at 2:06pm
 
I agree with all of you.  Perhaps the father doesnt "see" the sons goals cuz he is trying to put his goals on him.  What the father thinks the son should/should not do in life.  A lot of 17yr olds need to just hang out for about year due to their maturity level.  I was one of those.  My father insisted I either get married or go to work.  I wasnt mature enuf to make either decision sooo I just hung out for a while.  Glad I did.  I hope the son doesnt get into trouble which mite be a fear of the dads.  I am sure the boy will discover himself soon.

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Reply #7 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 6:15am
 
I'm not a great fan of this whole "goal" thinking in general. By telling that people should set explicit goals for their lives, people are guided to live their lives as if they were task lists. And what happens when one has achieved her goals? What happens if achieving one's goal proves impossible? What happened to lifelong learning? Is it truly disastrous if one can't pull a list of "goals" for a curious inquirer? If we concentrate in finding definite goals and achieving them, how can we ensure that we are still able to seize good opportunities that, though may not immediately useful for our projects, may in long term prove to be most important?
   I wouldn't be that worried if a 17-year old didn't have her life planned. I didn't have. I was only barely aware of that my profession existed. Some people need time to figure things out. It's not what our busy society expects of us, but then- it's not the depth of thinking that has taken us to the middle of 3rd world crisis, greenhouse effect and the culture that Shelley Gare describes as "air headed".

This being said, I also have goals. But they are different from: "Make lots of money, make a good career, get married and have kids"- goals that are commonly understood as the kind of goals one should have. My main goal in life is to become the best person I can be. My goal is to see that my loved ones are happy and that I treat also other people and other beings well. To search wisdom and, if I find any, to share it with others. My goal is to enjoy the wonder that this short life on Earth truly is.
  My "practical goals" have not been much better, really. To consult our Parliament, to find my name from the cover of a book, to talk with astronauts, to write a paper on some really difficult matter, once were on my list of goals. Had I told them to anyone when I was 17, I would have a) been laughed at and b) been provided with utterly useless advice, the following of which would probably have ensured my failing to achieve these goals by the time I was 30. So, in the light of the little wisdom I have gained so far, the best goal I can ask anyone to adopt into her life is: "Set it as your goal to find a thorough answer to these questions: What is good life? How should I live in order to achieve it? What are my duties towards others who share this world with me, and how could I best fulfill them?"
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Reply #8 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 8:26am
 
OK, I'm gonna stir the pot a bit here ----- Those of you who say the 17 year may have goals that they do not want to share with their father/parents.... but the kid's life appears to consist of going to school (maybe), sitting at home watching TV or playing video games and hanging out with friends.  The kid may be happy (who wouldn't be when they have no responsibilities!), but how is this kid going to achieve those "hidden - unspoken" goals?  As I said before, the young adult should be out exploring and trying things.  They don't have to have a "goal" for themselves, but how else are you going to know what you want to do to be a productive adult?  

I did not have, nor share my goals with my parents when I was a teen.  We barely spoke to each other during my 15 - 21 years, but I was busy.  I worked, I volunteered, I went to school, I was active in sports, I traveled.  My parents knew that I would find my path eventually, even though they had no idea what that would be.

Goals do not have to be life long - I prefer to look at them as "life with purpose and direction".  None of us know where we will end up in the long run.  At 17 I did want to work on computers, but believe me, back in 1969 - a career in computers was nothing like what I do now. I was discouraged from heading in that direction (I was told it was not a career path for women), so, I went another direction - working with people with disabilities, and somehow that lead me back to computers - many, many years later!  Along that long and convoluted path, I have had a lot of fun, I've learned a lot about myself and others and have learned (I hope) what is important in life and what is not.

Galadriel - you are wise well beyond your years!
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Reply #9 - Mar 16th, 2007 at 9:44am
 
My what an interesting thread developing !  Smiley

I’m not saying that the following is the case for everyone as obviously we’re all different, also I think that quite a lot must inevitably depend on the amount of natural energy each child is born with compared to those born with much less.

My own personal view (with hindsight !) is that the more personal privacy that is available to begin with at home in which a child, whatever their energy levels, can truly be him or herself and say from 7 to 18 or so, the more chance they’re likely to discover very early on what they do want to do in life.

And that the less home privacy they have the longer pro rata and depending on individual energy levels, it must take to find out by which time for many they’re probably stuck in some job or marriage they’ve no idea whether they wanted originally or not. At which point the self-discovery trail begins often sadly with the loss of a job or the break-up of a marriage.

For myself I never had any personal privacy to speak of at all being a single child, which can often be the worst “goalless inspiring” situation of all. Certainly this was the case for me because it wasn’t until I was about 40, after years of unrestrictedly doing whatever took my immediate “free at last” fancies, that I finally started doing vocationally what I really did want, to the point where now I’m happily flat broke most of the time !!  Grin

Just my very contented "goal in life, plus long hair and chatting achieved" farthing’s worth  Wink
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Reply #10 - Apr 19th, 2007 at 12:35am
 
*as an aside, Gladriel, You... are truly inspiring.

As one of those supposedly goalless teenagers, I have to agree, Often, we don't tell our parents or other authority figures our goals so that we won't be discouraged any more.
I've had several goals over the years. often they changed when I realized that I didn't have the right scientific mind for it or something. Eventually, My stepfather just started shooting down all my dreams/goals, because he assumed I'd change my mind in weeks. Which is why he now considers me goalless, and "it's a good thing you've got a man to take care of you,<kiraela> because you'll never do anything useful".

  I want to be a writer and musician (the style changes but the dream remains). As for being a writer, I'm often told I don't have enough of an attention span to write anything longer than a very short story or poem. That's true, but I always come back and will EVENTUALLY! finish. And don't get me started on the number of times I've been told "why are you bothering to write poetry? Nobody ever reads poems unless the author is a celebrity. Or dead. Or a dead celebrity." (frankly, I write because it fights off the demons in my head)

As for being a musician, from the day I got my first guitar I was told by my mother, You'll never make it. The odds are too far against it.

I don't know, maybe the kid the father was talking about really is a goalless, worthless loser. maybe he hasn't found his path. or maybe he has one, and is simply tired of being shot down every time he broaches the subject.
we'll unfortunately never know.
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Reply #11 - Apr 19th, 2007 at 12:55pm
 
Extremely well-put, Kiraela.

You poor thing.  Sad  I know all too well how hurtful it is to have no one believe in you. Especially the people that you care about most (BTW, I follow the creative path as well).

But I have a rebellious nature, and I came to reject the very notion of "authority" and was able to turn the feeling of being shot down into something positive. Like so many others, being doubted only strengthened my drive to succeed at whatever I was doing. And drive is what it's really about.

Anywho, well said.
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Reply #12 - Apr 19th, 2007 at 2:30pm
 
Oh, yes. Rebellious nature... I never seemed to have one of those until I realized that, for me, rebelling meant getting straight As and NOT doing the stupid things other teenagers did. I think I rebelled against my age group, rather than my parents, for the most part. Of course, 2 months after graduation I moved to louisiana to live with my boyfriend of (now) almost a year... perhaps that took out all of my rebellion.
He was the only one who supported me. I figured, They don't think I can make my dreams come true. He does. Which environment is better for me?
and here I am.
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Reply #13 - Aug 19th, 2007 at 10:16pm
 
I would say I have always had a goal but as time goes by the goal changes.

When I was in high school my goal was to graduate which I did.

Then, after graduation I kind of had a short goaless life until I realized I needed a job to live so my goal was to get a job.

And now that I got that job my goal now is to retire with full benefits and everything coming to me.

And when I retire my goal will be to enjoy retirement and be proud of my accomplishments.

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